Police Shootings Happen Fatal Enounters Staff Document Them D. Bian Burghart Explains In This Edition of Candid Conversations

Only once in my life have I ever been stopped by the police.  I was walking home from a bar late at night.  The encounter was brief, but still a bit unsettling.  Most encounters with police are not happy ones.  We call them when we are in trouble, never when we are in a happy mood. 

  

Imagine having a gun pointed at you and the holder of the weapon is an officer that is even scarier than the usual encounter.  Sadly in the U.S. and Canada people do die at the hands of police officers.  The most famous in my mind is Robert Dziekansky a polish immigrant with no ability to communicate in English trying to find his mom in Vancouver’s international airport back in 2007.  He was tasered by police and died.  The incident sparked a huge backlash against the RCMP and the four men involved.  One is now facing 30 months in jail and no doubt the loss of his job for lying to the inquiry that followed the incident. 

  

Save for the few videos that capture events like the one mentioned above few stats are really kept, especially in the United States where hundreds of people have been killed by police.  One man hoping to change that is D. Brian Burghart the man behind fatalencounters.org he joins us to do a Candid Conversation about his work. 

  

Welcome sir 

  

D. B Burghart:   Hi, thanks for having me. 

    

Cliff T.: I was listening to a podcast called Day 6, from CBC radio and when I heard you speak I was immediately thinking I want to speak with this guy.  I find it absurd to think that there are no real statistics on deaths linked to police encounters, when you started to take a look did you have the same feeling?  

    

D. B Burghart:    I was naïve when I started. Even when I was looking at the Department of Justice's data, I thought I must be doing something wrong.  I felt it was beyond absurd.  It was offensive.  Our government tracks anything it considers important, bearing any expense.  The fact that it was not tracking the people its employees killed suggested pretty strongly that those deaths didn't matter.  

    

Cliff T.: You also mentioned in the interview with Brent, that you had an encounter of sorts, you passed by a scene where a shooting had culminated in a death, what was that like for you when you realized someone was killed by a police officer?      

    

D. B Burghart:   It wasn't shocking or surprising, particularly when I read about the guy afterward.  The local media just repeated the police narrative that he was a dangerous criminal, a meth addict.  I did a little research afterward, and found out he was more three dimensional than that.  He didn't have a gun.  He was a father, a leader in his church, the lead singer for a very popular Christian rock band.  Jace Herndon was an addict, but he was also a human being who'd committed no capital crime. 

    

Cliff T.: I think that we can agree that in most cases police civilian contact is largely routine, even when arrests are made the bulk of these are with no incident.  That said it is the incidents that are that the most shocking if they are captured on film, problem is most are not and even the media reporting in some cases is scant.  Do you have any real difficulties getting the data even in the current context of social media?    

    

D. B Burghart:   Yes, getting public records from law enforcement agencies can be extremely time-consuming and expensive.  Sometime agencies can be very helpful and just supply the records. Other times, they refuse to follow the law and dare you to sue them for it.  As far as social media, it's not really a factor for us.  We do most of our research using the internet, particularly news organizations, then blogs and activists, then probably court documents. 

    

Cliff T.: Another point that caught my ear was that many if not most of those who die at the hands of police are mentally ill, and POOR!  That almost suggests that it is easier for police to get away with, well murder or are we barking up the wrong tree with this assumption after all most police do not go on duty looking to kill anyone?    

  

D. B Burghart:  Police don't go on duty looking to kill someone.  The numbers are huge, more than three people a day killed with guns and cars, but it's not a 1-in-a-million interactions occurrence.  That said, check out the second map on the Our Visualizations page on FatalEncounters.org.  The vast, vast majority of these killings happen in the most poverty-stricken areas of the country.  It makes sense, though.  Police patrol areas where they're most likely to find street-level crime--that whole "broken-window policing" concept.  Even the mental illness aspect makes sense, since the mentally ill often act in unpredictable ways, and that's what scares cops and makes them defensive and aggressive.  In those volatile situations, bad things happen. 

  

Cliff T.:  The purpose of fatalencounters.org is to document incidents where someone dies at the hands of the police.  Is the site contained to U.S. stats or are you looking at international data as well? 

  

D. B Burghart:  We're focusing on U.S. data right now.  A university professor in Canada asked me to set up a spreadsheet for her, but I don't know if she ever used it for anything.  In any case, it only took me a couple hours because you have groups up in Canada who are keeping track. Does your government keep accurate statistics?  Also, we've started a Spanish-language project, EncuentrosMortales.org that focuses on people killed on the southern U.S. border. We've already got some records of people killed by U.S. law enforcement who died on the Mexican side of the border. 

  

Cliff T.:  That is a great question I do believe the Canadian government does  However I have to say I Have not actually looked into that myself, but, as a starting point Google does serve up some links that may be of interest to you and also to readers of the blog.  That said.  Are you noticing any trends and if so what are they? 

  

D. B Burghart:  I think we were the first ones to spot the relationship between mental illness and being killed by police.  It's pretty common knowledge now.  Also since there was no data about race, people had suspicions but couldn't prove the racial disparity.  The race data is still pretty bad.  About a third of the time, the media doesn't report it, but this is improving, particularly in the area of officer-involved homicides. 

  

Cliff T.:  I would assume that most deaths are gun related, which other ways do people end up dead while in custody? 

  

D. B Burghart:   I might be misunderstanding your question, but police kill people with vehicles, Tasers--all manner of less-lethal methods--they beat people to death, asphyxiate them … there's a pretty long list.  Also, these stressful situation also tend to cause things like heart attacks and strokes.  To be clear, though, most of these deaths don't happen when people are in custody, but when an officer is trying to make an arrest.  Also, we don't track deaths after someone is booked into jail.  Some 5,000 people die each year in local jails and state prisons; if we include some but not all, it inflates our numbers while making them less accurate.  If we were to only track the incarcerated deaths that make the news, it makes it look like the number of incarcerated people who die is much smaller than it actually is. 

  

Cliff T.:  No you got the last question bang on.  Brian I have to ask, why, why do this kind of work.  What do you want to see come out of this research? 

  

D. B Burghart:  I want people and law enforcement agencies to have as much information as possible so they can track trends across regions and time.  This will enable agencies and governments to change policies, training and protocol to get the best outcomes for everyone and have fewer police killed and have fewer of the policed killed. 

  

Cliff T.:  How will you know if you have been successful or better that I put it this way, what is the ultimate goal of the project and how will you know you have achieved it. 

  

D. B Burghart:  Well, we've already informed the national dialog so we've achieved a measure of success.  We proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that the numbers our government was broadcasting were wildly inaccurate.  I'll know the first part of our job is finished when we consider all 50 states and D.C. complete.  We've calculated that day will come in August 2017. 

  

Cliff T.:  In the interview on Day 6 you said that it takes about a day to work on the project.  You probably are getting some help on this.  Is there a volunteer group helping you build the database and who are they? 

  

D. B Burghart:  I actually put in about 25-30 hours a week on the project.  Most of our helpers are paid for their research--there are about 10 really solid researchers.  There are only four volunteers, including me, who've put in more than a couple of hours without payment. 

  

Cliff T.:  Brian if anyone wants to participate what can they do to help the Fatal Encounters project? 

D. B Burghart: A certain percentage of our work still comes from crowdsourcing--people add records through our form, and it all gets verified before it gets published into the database.  The main way people can help is with donations, as it all goes to the researchers.  

Cliff T.:  Besides media attention has there been any response by policing agencies to what you are doing, have they come on board or are they not as willing to open up to you about the stats? 

  

D. B Burghart: Hard to say. I did see a story where an FBI representative said they look at sites like ours to improve their own data-collection methods.  We have quite a few police officers who've sent data or even donations.  The individual men and women seem to get that we're neutral, but getting an agency "culture" to change is different.  It's usually the lawyers and the bureaucrats who block our access to records.  

  

Cliff T.:  Before we close I want to ask so far what is the biggest impact you feel you have had since developing the Fatal Encounters site? 

  

D. B Burghart:  There are three.  First, when I started this project, nobody knew how many people were killed by police in the United States.  Now they have a pretty good idea, about 1,200 a year.  We're up to about 8,000 records, with an expected endpoint of about 19,000.  Second, nobody knew the government wasn't counting and analyzing this data.  Now, it's pretty common knowledge and people are demanding change.  The third is the protocol.  Our method of collecting the data was really unsophisticated, but it has now been applied to many different issues.  For example, https://puppycidedb.com is using our protocol to document incidents of pets and animals killed by police, and http://data4justice.org/ is tracking people arrested for child pornography. 

  

Cliff T.:  I think it is an absolute and important job that needs to be done.  I bet it can be gruesome to document these things.  That said it is important to keep going, thanks for sharing some time and insight with the Candid Conversations readership much appreciated. 

  

D. B Burghart:  I always say it's the most depressing hobby ever conceived. Thanks for having me.  

  

D. Brian Burghart, created the fatalencounters.org a page, a database that documents thousands of deaths of people, at the hands of the police.   

  

A special note to readers of this post:  As mentioned most if not the vast majority of police never go on patrol looking to kill anyone during the tour of duty.  Sadly many do die at the hands of police most are justifiable shootings.  The concern is the few that are suspect.   

  

Edmund Burke stated the following.  “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”  As bloggers, reporters and database managers we are all expected to operate at a level where open honesty is the first and most important goal, even when the truth bears ugly facts.  In this case the fact is that some police officers have behaved badly and people have died while in they’re care and custody. To stop or keep this fact from seeing light is an injustice to the victims and to those officers who perform they’re jobs at the highest level of professionalism. 

  

D. B Burghart wrote to us from Las Vegas NV U.S.A.  His website is fatalencounters.org.

My Single Peeps, The New Way to Match Make Online

Have you ever been on the receiving end of this question. Hey can you get me a date? Seth Menachem has. He decided to “Fix” the problem by creating a rather unique site. Www.mysinglepeeps.com. The idea is simple tell people about your single peeps and hopefully they will get a hook up. Seth joins me in this Candid Convention to talk about the new way to match make.

Cliff T. Seth thanks for jumping in on this topic. I never would have thought someone would put such a site up on the net.

Seth M: I’m glad you like it. Wait, you’re saying you like it, right?

Cliff T.: I love the concept, obviously having so many peeps, as you call them, asking for a date drove you to set up the site. What was the tipping point or was there a particular peep that finally drove you to go online with this idea?

Seth M: I have a lot of single friends—and they all ask me for advice. I write some of their dating profiles and help them respond to emails. But that’s when they’re being proactive. Often, they’re frustrated by the difficulty in meeting a great person to date. So one night, while deciding what to write about next, I got a text from a friend lamenting his single status. I decided then and there if they’re not going to do something about, I would. So I started writing bios of my friends—I wanted them to be real—the kind of stuff they wouldn’t say about themselves, while also reading funny, and charming. I thought of a name for the site, put the first one on a blog, and posted a link to it on Facebook at around midnight. By early the next morning I was flooded with comments and emails.

Cliff T.: How did your single friends react when they found out you were posting about them?

Seth M: I started with Yitzy. He’s my best friend, and I knew he would go along for the ride when he saw what I did. He loved it. So did the girls who wrote to him. Soon I was getting requests from people to write about them.

Cliff T.: From what I read the idea is simple. A post is put up about a peep on the mysinglepeeps.com site not by the peep but, by the person who is a friend of the peep. Then any responses are forwarded by you to the person who the post is about. I would assume some like the idea, others do not. How do you deal with the ones who say uh this is not what I need from my friends?

Seth M: Well, that’s a newer idea. Initially I would write about everyone. A couple of local papers hired me to write about strangers for them so I started building the site that way. But I knew it was limited. So I created a way for people to write about their friends and add them to the site. I’m not a techy so it’s a bit glitchy right now. Hopefully I can find someone to volunteer to help me with the tech part of the site as it needs it.

Cliff T.: I am assuming that the majority do not mind the posting how often do you get asked to remove a person?

Seth M: It’s happened a couple of times. One friend got engaged and said it was time to come off of the site, rather than simply writing TAKEN across his picture. The other was someone who was very happy with her profile—she took the jokes in stride, and thought she looked good—but she is from a conservative Persian community and she got a lot of flack from them to take it down. I felt badly for her that the pressure from her community was so strong, but she didn’t feel it was worth the problems it caused, so I removed her from the site.

Cliff T.: Is the gender ratio the same or are they're more of one sex than the other who get on the site?

Seth M: I’m guessing it skews more female heavy, as they seem to be more open to the experience.

Cliff T.: It's a question begging to be answered, have you ever found out that a peep is still married?

Seth M: There are a few who are married—and if I wasn’t directly involved, I was tangentially involved. For example, one friend dated a girl, and when they saw they weren’t a match, she began dating his friend. They’re now happily married. Or at least married. How do I know how happy they are?

Cliff T.: For the most part I am assuming here that the site is for men and women seeking each other out. But, do people of other sexual orientations get posted on mysinglepeeps.com?

Seth M: I have gay peeps, as well. Take a look. One of my first gay peeps was Rex Lee, a great guy, and a talented actor, who was extremely revealing to me in his profile.

Cliff T.: Seth it sounds like you have a lot of fun with mysinglepeeps.com I bet maintaining the site keeps you pretty busy?

Seth M: It does. Too busy, to be honest. I just took a break from writing for the papers as the weekly columns were getting to be too much, while still balancing my acting and writing career, and my family. I have two kids—one and three—and that alone will tire someone out. So I’ll keep posting peeps when I have time, and the site is still open to other people who want to put up profiles on their single friends.

Cliff T.: Well I want to thank you for sharing the story behind mysinglepeeps.com.

Seth M: You’re welcome. Thanks for reaching out!

Seth Menachem is the man behind www.mysinglepeeps.com you can visit the site and check out the peeps that are on it out for yourself or post a peep and of course find a peep yourself.

For more information about Seth Menachem himself visit his page at http://www.sethmenachem.com.

Seth Menachem wrote us from Los Angeles California.

Zuuzs? Huh? What is that? Patricia Blair Explains In This Edition Of Candid Conversations

Have you heard the expression what do you get for the person who has everything? Or, how about he/she is so difficult to buy for.  Sometimes it is just not easy to find a gift for a person on a good day much less at Christmas.  One of the famous lines people will give when asked about what they want for Christmas is “I don't know.” The flip side is having to deal with a list that is long and or filled with some pretty pricey stuff.

zuuzs.com staff decided to do a survey via its Facebook page, asking friends who they think is the hardest person to buy for.  Though not scientific people responding to the survey picked husbands as the most difficult to buy for.  My reaction to that was, really?  So I contacted Patricia Blair, zuuz's VP of marketing to explain the survey and the concept of zuuzs.  Patricia, great to meet you here on Candid Conversations.

Patricia B: Thank you so much for the opportunity!  It’s a great time of year for zuuzs!

Cliff T: A survey, that is a neat idea.

Patricia B: Well, social media is meant to be an engaging platform, right?  And so we thought, why not ask our friends what they were up to this gift-giving season.

Cliff T: Was this a planned idea or did it just pop up in a meeting?

Patricia B: It just popped up.  Zuuzs was designed to be a socially interactive online shopping site—where shoppers can share they're deals and receive cash back.  So it’s important to us that we also interact with our customers to get their thoughts and ideas.

Cliff T: How many people responded to the post on Facebook?

Patricia B: Almost 1,000 responded to the “Most difficult to buy for?” question. Over 2,000 responded to the open-ended “What do you want most for yourself for Christmas?”  And over 1,000 responded to the specific list of “What was at the top of they're wish lists"? 

 Cliff T: Patricia, I have to admit reading that husbands are harder to buy for than any other group is a surprise, was that your reaction as well?

Patricia B: No, not at all.  I wasn’t surprised because at my house, my spouse is impossible.  First of all, he’d much rather give than get—which works out nicely for the family, but just one Christmas I’d like to WOW him with a gift.  Also, electronics are high on his list, and he’d much rather pick those out himself so he makes sure he gets exactly what he wants.

Cliff T: How are you connecting the results to using the zuuzs site?

Patricia Blair: Zuuzs tries to make our online shopping experience as easy and fun as possible.  The survey helped inform two ways to shop: We designed a holiday shopping page [www.zuuzs.com/shopping/] that arranges gifts by price point and by who you’re shopping for—kids, men, ladies, etc.  So browsing is easy!  Zuuzs also takes our shopper's preferences (for retailers, products and so on), and when someone signs into their zuuzs account, they get an automatic selection of great deals that are most relevant for them specifically.

The holiday shopping page is working so well, we are currently designing a New Year’s Resolutions page for January, coming out next week and a “Love is in the Air” shopping page that will come out in mid- to late-January.

Cliff T: Speaking of zuuzs, what is it and how does it work?

Patricia B: In short, zuuzs shoppers get cash back for shopping with our more than 800 major retailers including Wal-Mart, Nordstrom, Target, Ulta, Macy’s, etc.  Specifically, customers go to zuuzs.com and create a short profile that identifies their favorite stores and products.  Zuuzs customizes they're shopping experiences, pulling the best and most relevant offers from over 800 retailers.  When customers are ready to shop, they click on the deals or the retailers they are interested in, and zuuzs transfers them to the retailers.  Once there, customers make their purchases, and zuuzs sends them they're cash-back reward. Amounts vary, depending on the purchases and retail partner.

Cliff T: How long has zuuzs been around for and does the name zuuzs mean anything in particular?

Patricia B: Zuuzs has been around for just over a year, though we really started promoting it during the first half of 2012.  The zuuzs name came from our founder, tied to a nickname his wife had as a child. Very sweet story.

Cliff T: So wives or anyone else can use the site to shop find what they want and get cash back on purchases, interesting.  What is the typical amount that a person can get from a transaction on zuuzs?

Patricia B: It really depends—on the customer, on the retailer and on the items purchased.  Some of our partners offer up to 10 percent!  But 2-5 percent is the average.

Cliff T: From what I see you have to be a member to get the cash back, that said do you offer special incentives for members and for those who become a member of the zuuzs community?

Patricia B: Basically, it’s really easy to join, and it’s easy to invite your friends into your zuuzs circle. From there, members have access to the good deals and the cash back. 

Cliff T: What are some of the other things members can do, i.e. can they make up wish lists or customize the account to look for special items etc?

Patricia B: One of the things we hear great feedback on from our members is the customized deals that we offer them when they first log on.  Based on each member’s purchases, we scour our retailers for bargains, and offer those up whenever someone first jumps on our site. 

Cliff T: Of course one of the big questions at this time of the year is with respect to shipping.  Patricia, I am assuming that that is dealt with via the merchants on the site?  I am also assuming that clients need to deal with things like returns via the merchant as well.

Patricia B: Yes, once the purchase is made, shipping and returns are between the merchant and the buyer.

Cliff T: Getting back to the survey what were you aiming to do, by that I mean were you looking to get people to think about what they are buying or was this just a fun thing to do?

Patricia B: zuuzs is all about engaging our members—and the survey seemed like a great way to encourage conversation over Facebook!

Cliff T: Besides thinking about what to get what are the other things shoppers should be doing to make it easier to shop online?
Patricia B: Here are some tips for savvy, safe online shopping:

• Order online and pick up at the store.  Get the browsing benefits of online shopping while still getting near-instant gratification by ordering online and picking up at the store.  And you can save lots of money! 
• What’s the shopping trifecta?  Retailer rewards + credit card cash (or points) rewards + zuuzs cash back equals maximum rewards for your gift-giving. 
• Look for free shipping.  Shop online stores that offer free shipping either across the board or when you spend a certain amount in one order.  Many retailers also ship to store for free. 
• Don’t store credit card information.  Unless you shop an online store frequently, don't allow them to store your credit card information. Many online stores keep your credit card information as the default, so make sure you check this before logging off. 
• Keep your passwords sacred.  Never save your user names or passwords on computers you share with others. 
• Shop the “buy x, get y” deals.  You could potentially get enough gifts for all your friends in one fell swoop. And capture the savings. 
• Skip the gift wrapping upcharge.  It can add $5 or more to your cost. 
• Read the fine print.  Some retailers don't allow you to use coupons on sale or clearance items. 
• Save by ordering from out-of-state retailers.  If there are no retailer facilities in your state you save on sales taxes.  For instance, in DFW this translates into about 8 percent; in Chicago about 10 percent savings.  This benefit will likely be legislated out of existence soon, so this may be the last holiday to take advantage of it. 

Cliff T: Well with a name like Zuuzs and concepts like doing surveys to engage members it sounds like you think outside the box and have fun doing it? Is that a fair statement?

Patricia B: Absolutely! That’s the whole point of zuuzs.  We’re serious about saving, but we want to have fun at the same time!

Cliff T: Patricia, I want to thank you for sharing the story about the survey and Zuuzs, it has been fun.

Patricia B: I am always happy to share. And I invite your readers to visit zuuzs and tell us what they think at contact@zuuzs.com.

Patricia Blair is the VP of marketing at zuuzs.com.  Recently zuuzs did a survey on they're Facebook page and found that the majority of people cited husbands as the most difficult people to shop for.

Zuuzs is a site featuring over 800 merchants, members can get cash back by clicking through zuuzs to they're favorite retailer.

Patricia spoke with us via email from her office in Dallas, Texas.